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Re: Today in stupid

Post by FvS » Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:48 pm

The Alt-Hype's new video has caused quite a stir. I'm curious as to what you guys make of it. Most reactions from the Alt-Right seem to be negative so far (not really surprising).



Here's what I wrote.
It all comes down to which is more important, race or political ideology? It's a tough question. How many here would rather live in an all White communist state vs. a multi-racial rightist state? As a libertarian (which is a 95% White European movement anyway), my preference goes: White nationalist libertarian state > Multi-racial libertarian state > White nationalist conservative/fascist state > Multi-racial conservative/fascist state > White nationalist leftist state > Multi-racial leftist state.
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Re: Today in stupid

Post by Jon Irenicus » Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:49 pm

I think the problem with it is that he needs to go back and ask himself, how would he deal with these objections he's putting forward if someone had presented them to him a couple of weeks/months ago?

Whilst I think traditional WN political models are nothing short of stupid, their opposition to secession especially so, it does not mean that the good concepts need to be thrown out with the bathwater. Because he's now trivialising what are still some substantial % difference in group opinions and, like some of the commentors have noted, there is also the fact that there is much more indoctrination on certain topics in EU countries - and especially Germany. If you were to poll a non-white in Europe, in general, you would see similar discrepancies as you would in the US. Additionally, he himself has made the point in the past that polling often does not account for the fact whereby even if "minorities" rhetorically agree on a number of libertarian or right-wing viewpoints, they'll just go vote Democrat anyway, suggesting tribal loyalties to the party play a bigger role. Same as with left-wing parties in Europe. So I think a lot of the comments and flak he's getting are justified and put the topic back into perspective. The personal attacks, though, are stupid, e.g. the usual blaming it on him being gay, as if it's relevant. He has a long history of considering mainstream WNs to be nothing but goofy LARPers and he tends to make videos like this when frustration gets the better of him, as he did with libertarians in the past.
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Re: Today in stupid

Post by FvS » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:31 am

Agreed. Hopefully, he comes back around. While secession is probably the only realistic option, I'm reluctant to cede any more territory. I'd much prefer it if a separate Black country was expelled from the Union, and the Central Americans returned to Central America. However, the good thing about Whites seceding would be that they could potentially exclude leftists of all races, as those with White identity are mostly right-wing. The question is, how far right would a separatist movement be? There's a lot of idiotic fascists, NatSocs, and Christian fundamentalists involved. Libertarians are a small enough percentage of the population, and the ones with any racial identity are even rarer. What's interesting is that it is mostly the rank and file libertarians that are the most egalitarian. I could be wrong, but most of intellectual leaders seem to be paleolibertarians and crypto-White advocates.

This is kind of unrelated, but I found a little exchange between Raimondo and Jared Taylor. I don't know if Raimondo still feels this way, but it seems he is more in favor of restricted immigration these days.
http://takimag.com/article/nationalists ... _a_nation/
https://www.amren.com/news/2009/06/what_do_white_n/
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Re: Today in stupid

Post by Merlin » Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:47 pm

FvS wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:31 am
The question is, how far right would a separatist movement be?
Given the genetics of those involved, about as far right as the Scandinavian countries in their prime.

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Re: Today in stupid

Post by Nyarlathotep » Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:58 am

Gotta own those Drumpfpanzees by *draws card from deck* defending crony capitalism?!

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Re: Today in stupid

Post by Millennial TM » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:04 am

VICE magazine compare Jordan Peterson and Ayn Rand to Raniere of the NXIVM sex-trafficking cult.

”one could almost write off figures like Rand, Raniere and Peterson until you realize their followings are on a moral crusade they believe is backed by reason itself”

The origInal article: https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/3kyx ... rands-cult

My article in response: https://lastexittoalbion.wordpress.com/ ... r-raniere/
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Re: Today in stupid

Post by Millennial TM » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:54 am

FvS wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:48 pm
The Alt-Hype's new video has caused quite a stir. I'm curious as to what you guys make of it. Most reactions from the Alt-Right seem to be negative so far (not really surprising).



Here's what I wrote.
It all comes down to which is more important, race or political ideology? It's a tough question. How many here would rather live in an all White communist state vs. a multi-racial rightist state? As a libertarian (which is a 95% White European movement anyway), my preference goes: White nationalist libertarian state > Multi-racial libertarian state > White nationalist conservative/fascist state > Multi-racial conservative/fascist state > White nationalist leftist state > Multi-racial leftist state.
That was brilliant
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Re: Today in stupid

Post by FvS » Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:12 pm

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Re: Today in stupid

Post by Jon Irenicus » Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:36 pm

What's that all about?
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Re: Today in stupid

Post by FvS » Mon Sep 24, 2018 3:11 am

The Kavanaugh hearings. Republicans want Kavanaugh's accuser to testify. She keeps stalling, and then they push the vote back further. Now today, more sexual misconduct allegations have come out of the woodwork at the 11th hour. In all these scenarios, everyone was supposedly drunk at the time, details are vague, and there are no corroborating witnesses. The goal for the Democrats is to prevent any Supreme Court confirmation before the midterms. That tweet is the media trying to make it seem like the Republican senators are "raping" her by wanting her to testify in a timely manner. F-ing ridiculous.
"Most whites do not have a racial identity, but they would do well to understand what race means for others. They should also ponder the consequences of being the only group for whom such an identity is forbidden and who are permitted no aspirations as a group." - Jared Taylor

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