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Mussolini's intellectuals

Post by William » Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:04 pm

I'm currently slowly reading this book by A James Gregor:

https://m.barnesandnoble.com/w/mussolin ... 1111431152

If you guys want, as I go chapter by chapter I'll do a summary of each chapter and thinker for you. One of the main points of the book is to argue that Italian fascism was a coherent set of ideas that is continually written off by progressive shibboleth such as "reactionary", "fundamentalist", "irrational", "right wing", "something I don't like", and the usual Orwellian write off words that is applied from everything from "bible believing" Southern Baptists, Trumpian protectionism, any question on limits of immigration, Adam Smith, neoconservativez, ISIS, Nazis, Pinochet, the Catholic Church, and on and on.


The author says it's a tenable set of ideas, though he is very skeptical about it having much good results (The same could probably be said, in a much more extreme way about ISIS). He seems to be exacerbated that much of fascist ideas gets pinned to Julius Evola, who he openly dispises and considers a crank. Unfortunately Evola is the last chapter, so I have to wait until the end when he finally tees off on him. I am always up for a good Evola bashing.

Other thinkers include:


Sergio Panunzio and Ugo Spirito, Alfredo Rocco (Mussolini's Minister of Justice), Pareto and George Sorel and his anarcho- syndicalism (much interested in these chapter), Gentle (a neo-Hegelian thinker, much interested in this as well)

Another person who seems to play a large role in opposition to all this is the neo Marxist Gramsci, so that is interesting as well
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Re: Mussolini's intellectuals

Post by Physiocrat » Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:58 pm

A chapter by chapter summary would be great. You may also be interested in Fascism A Career of a Concept by Paul Gottfried. I haven't read it but heard lectures of him on the subject which I found fascinating

https://www.amazon.com/Fascism-Career-C ... 0875804934
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Re: Mussolini's intellectuals

Post by William » Tue Aug 28, 2018 11:36 pm

Physiocrat wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:58 pm
A chapter by chapter summary would be great. You may also be interested in Fascism A Career of a Concept by Paul Gottfried. I haven't read it but heard lectures of him on the subject which I found fascinating

https://www.amazon.com/Fascism-Career-C ... 0875804934

Good find. It looks like he has the same frustration, and it might help to take up Orwell's cause in his Politics in the English Language essay:


http://www.orwell.ru/library/essays/pol ... sh/e_polit

it's odd that presenting coherent differing, worldviews, ideas, and beliefs in politics has at the same time the goal of admonishing Progressive write off tactics and methods. SO that's an added bonus of simply just presenting ideas you may or may not dislike.
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Re: Mussolini's intellectuals

Post by William » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:31 am

I think Ralph Racio may have had some good stuff on fascism. If nothing else, I know he asked Mises about his comments in the book Liberalism to see if Mises want to retract them (as Racio was translating into English), Mises said no for some reason that I forget.

If someone can find what I'm talking about, please let me now.
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Re: Mussolini's intellectuals

Post by William » Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:43 am

https://mises-media.s3.amazonaws.com/12 ... e=document

Found it, Racio on Mises and Fascism, and the very misaligned quote from Liberalism that is under constant attack by people who want to smear Mises without critically engaging him.

There is this as well:

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Re: Mussolini's intellectuals

Post by Merlin » Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:42 am

William wrote:
Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:04 pm
If you guys want, as I go chapter by chapter I'll do a summary of each chapter and thinker for you. One of the main points of the book is to argue that Italian fascism was a coherent set of ideas that is continually written off
A recap would indeed be great as “coherent” is the very last thing that comes to my mind when thinking of fascist ideas. The whole ideology just seems a bunch of slogans and flowery language thrown together almost ad hoc, with no underlying substance whatsoever. I’d be glad to be proven wrong.

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Re: Mussolini's intellectuals

Post by Millennial TM » Thu Aug 30, 2018 4:55 pm

Read Zeev Sternhell’s work if you haven’t already.

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Re: Mussolini's intellectuals

Post by William » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:03 am

chapter 1 notes:

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Re: Mussolini's intellectuals

Post by William » Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:07 pm

I have come to feel strongly that the greatest service I can still render to my fellow men would be that I could make the speakers and writers among them thoroughly ashamed ever again to employ the term 'social justice'.
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