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on this 9/11 let's remember our allies

Post by William » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:02 pm

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/fe ... -al-qaeda/

as of this date 9/11/18, after all the terror attacks in the West and the problems in the mid east for the general citizenry....we are allied with al-qaeda and DAESH. I guess we've always had a soft spot for al - qaeda

and warhawks,like like THomas Friedman:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/opin ... syria.html

and most of the MSM don't care because this is "progressive" war mongering and not "right wing". Therefore Always vote Republican. If we are stuck in war, you may as well have it be an anatagonistic press vs an antagonistic government. That alone warrants constant Republican voting, Trump troll voting, etc.
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Re: on this 9/11 let's remember our allies

Post by Physiocrat » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:33 pm

Republicans with a small majority are probably the least effective at warmonging since they'll get little media support and can't railroad things through the house and need to keep all senators onside.

Worst for war would be Dems with a massive majority for opposite but similar reasons
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Re: on this 9/11 let's remember our allies

Post by William » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:50 am

Physiocrat wrote:
Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:33 pm
Republicans with a small majority are probably the least effective at warmonging since they'll get little media support and can't railroad things through the house and need to keep all senators onside.

Worst for war would be Dems with a massive majority for opposite but similar reasons
Does that translate to Tory-Labour stuff? It seems the UK is a bit more level headed about this. People HATE Blair and are all over the place on Corbyn correct? The Tory Party seems to have giant and healthier divides as well (Mog and Boris seem very different than May). Is UKIP today at the very least a worthwhile troll vote?

The leader of the opposition (Corbyn) seems generally pro peace, and gets a lot of heat from the media, whatever his other crazy faults are. Not sure about Mog or Boris, but they seem less hawk like and more prone to media attacks as well.
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Re: on this 9/11 let's remember our allies

Post by William » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:59 am

One thing I find very amusing:
since at least the days of the crumbling Soviet Union and Russia under Yeltsin pro peace / non interventionist whether it be in Bosnia, The Middle East, etc, people be it men like Noam Chomsky or Ron Paul have made the same kind of points or arguments. Now Ron Paul, who is making the same arguments today as he was in 1988 is being called a "stooge for Russia". Amazing.
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Re: on this 9/11 let's remember our allies

Post by Jon Irenicus » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:06 pm

Yes, there is a strong schism in the Tory and Labour parties - however, in Labour's case it is between champagne socialists (who have hawkish views and are generally not too different to neocons in a social justice wrapper) and the crazier, more genuine article, and in the Tories' case it is "compassionate conservatives" (the more authoritarian branch of the party, e.g May, Hammond etc., who tend to have neocon leanings), and free market conservatives/libertarians.

The public as a whole is very sceptical and hostile to foreign intervention. England, outside of London, is "small c" conservative, especially the white majority. Were Scotland to break off and London and a few other big cities to lose political influence (or were their demographics to change), you would probably see Labour eclipsed nearly entirely.
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Re: on this 9/11 let's remember our allies

Post by William » Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:43 pm

Jon Irenicus wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:06 pm


The public as a whole is very sceptical and hostile to foreign intervention. England, outside of London, is "small c" conservative, especially the white majority. Were Scotland to break off and London and a few other big cities to lose political influence (or were their demographics to change), you would probably see Labour eclipsed nearly entirely.
I'm of the strong opinion most people are "small c" conservative / libertarian vs a minority progressive base that ropes in various identities (the "non cosntructivist" identities such as ethnicity or gender in general not being very progressive by nature) and classes (again, farmer and labor not being progressive by nature) into wide voting blocks while maintaining very strong control over social institutions such as education, bureaucracy, large organizations and media.

I think that may seem like common sense, and almost a definition to some people on a site like this. I just wanted to highlight that I find actual - factual card carrying progressives to be a somewhat small percent of the population in any given environment.
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Re: on this 9/11 let's remember our allies

Post by Jon Irenicus » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:11 pm

Yes, I think they are as well.
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Re: on this 9/11 let's remember our allies

Post by Millennial TM » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:18 am

If you want to vote for a small party, as a protest vote or whatever, I’d recommend any of the following if they’re standing in your area:

For Britain
UKIP
Democrats and Veterans
National Liberal Party
The Libertarian Party
English Democrats
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