"The Left" and the minority rule in the West

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"The Left" and the minority rule in the West

Post by William » Wed May 02, 2018 9:25 pm

I've been wondering if "Leftism"* is kind of the equivalent of Wahabbism in the Mid East using Taleb's minority rule theory:

https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-int ... 1f83ce4e15

It's not that the West doesn't have other tenedencies as well such as nativism, or whatever...but radicalization from a small minority seems to occur from more of a "left" bend in the West, whereas the other stuff I don't think really functions in exactly those terms (they might be populist, quasi-reactionary, and other things, but I don't think one KKK guy is going to really poison a non-leftist well all too much). There are probably other platoons in society where this minority rule works other than leftism, but I'm wondering if the left is the best example of this on a political level.


*for lack of a better term I'm using left wing assuming we all have a general notion of the left and feel no need to argue about the term, I'm not going to try and define this for the thread
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Re: "The Left" and the minority rule in the West

Post by Neodoxy » Thu May 03, 2018 11:30 am

I think a very interesting and important question is why the far left and far right has been able to shift the bar when I think of the far right as being far more numerous, at least traditionally. I don't think the minority rule is at all sufficient precisely because of this counterbalance,but it could play a strong role.

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Re: "The Left" and the minority rule in the West

Post by Physiocrat » Thu May 03, 2018 12:06 pm

I think the minority rule here is quite plausible. It's consistent with Colin Liddell's social media theory of news. Many new news stories originate via social media. But who is mostly on social media such as Twitter? The dysfunctional and unemployed. Everyone else has jobs, spouses and kids to be involved with. Consequently, the social media landscape, and hence culture informing news, emanates for these Leftist SJW types.
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Re: "The Left" and the minority rule in the West

Post by William » Thu May 03, 2018 10:34 pm

Neodoxy wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 11:30 am
I think a very interesting and important question is why the far left and far right has been able to shift the bar when I think of the far right as being far more numerous, at least traditionally. I don't think the minority rule is at all sufficient precisely because of this counterbalance,but it could play a strong role.

I'm going to quote Thomas Sowell here from the Vision of the Annointed:



"Among the many thoughtless labels which have gained currency, the dichotomy between the political left and the political right is one of the most striking, not only for its wide acceptance but also for its utter lack of definition - or even an attempt at definition. Only the left is defined - initially by the kinds of ideas held by those who sat on the left side of the French national assembly in the eighteenth century. But while the left is defined, at least in this general sense, the dichotomy itself is undefined because 'the right' remains undefined. Those who oppose the left are said to be on the right - and when they are strongly opposed, or opposed across a broad spectrum of issues, they are said to be on the 'far right.' But this is a somewhat Ptolemaic view of the political universe, with the political left being in the center of that universe and who all who differ -in any direction- being called 'the right.'

Whether free-market libertarians or statists ranging from those with monarchist to fascist views, opponents of the left are called 'the right.' In the United States, especially, the related term 'conservative' is routinely used to encompass people who have no desire to preserve the status quo or to return to some status quo ante... Although the free market is clearly the antithesis of state control of the economy, such as fascists advocate, the left-right dichotomy makes it seems as if fascists are just more extreme versions of 'conservatives,' in the same sense in which socialism is a more extreme version of the welfare state. But this vision of a symmetrical political spectrum corresponds to no political reality. Those who advocate the free market typically do so as just one aspect of a more general vision in which government's role in the lives of individuals is to be minimized, within limits set by a need to avoid anarchy and a need to maintain military defense against other nations. In no sense is fascism a further extension of that idea"


I think part of the problem is that if any of the slippery labels can be defined it will be "the left" and that is almost kind of by definition and the way the dynamic of the way this dialogue works. One reason may be the lefts kind of inherent fascination with constructing a kind of Hegelian dialectic and pushing that analysis towards its activism, so the left right dichotomy is kind of a self fulling prophecy and by-product of left wing thought and action.
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Re: "The Left" and the minority rule in the West

Post by FvS » Fri May 04, 2018 4:32 am

Curious as to what is thought of this.

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Re: "The Left" and the minority rule in the West

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FvS wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 4:32 am
Curious as to what is thought of this.

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Post by FvS » Thu May 10, 2018 4:46 am

Neodoxy wrote:The new Pink Floyd remix album looks lit.
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