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Re: Moving Libertarianism Forward

Post by Physiocrat » Wed May 09, 2018 2:03 pm

FvS wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 5:02 am
It would only be faux compromise, like how every politician says one thing and then does another when they are elected. Obviously, it would be important for the these mole candidates to be legitimate libertarians in close contact with the true leaders of the movement (Rockwell, Ron Paul, Hoppe, Woods, McMaken, Murphy, etc.). Third parties in America seem like a dead end. They almost never elected and certainly not for any really important positions. Actually obtaining power is more important than publicly espousing pure libertarian ideals, imo. With regard to the EU referendum, who knows if Brexit actually going to happen and meanwhile, immigrants keep flooding in. Here is some more on the neocon strategy.

https://www.nolanchart.com/article5423- ... rians-html
The idea is faux compromise but it will likely end up with strategically bad compromise, for example education vouchers. It provides a veneer of choice it will in practice subject independent private schools to more government regulation. Politicians want power which is the main reason, that unless you're in a more ideologically pure environment, you will be pulled by the tide. Further, many UK libertarians thought they'd made the breakthrough with Thatcher just to see the UK go under the thumb of banksters and corporations - we moved from Keynesianism to state-controlled capitalism, the neo-liberal paradigm which is effectively a latter day Leninist policy.
FvS wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 5:02 am
So either an attempt at radicalising the LP needs to happen or all the genuine libertarians need to leave and form a new grouping.
Well, if no one is buying the neocon strategy, I suppose your idea would be the only other thing we could do. The question is, how?
It's very hard to build up a party from nowhere. The UK Libertarian Party is ok but it is culturally too relativistic and not radical enough - they don't even advocate abolishing central banking. A genuine paleo-lib party could put the pressure on the Tories. A lot effort needs to be put into the name The best name I could think of which can't be that misinterpreted is Natural Order, which has the acronym NO which is somewhat unfortunate for a positive vision but isn't that bad.
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Tue May 08, 2018 5:02 am
Yes, I do think libertarianism needs to cultivate its own aesthetic like Communism and especially Fascism. Hell, I bet half the reason many people are still NatSoc today is because of the imagery. Personally, I was always thought libertarianism and science fiction go well together, that whole idea of taking humanity to the next phase of our evolution.

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Nice pics. I'm not sure that the sci-fi aesthetic will ever be that popular. People tend to prefer more natural materials.
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Re: Moving Libertarianism Forward

Post by FvS » Thu May 10, 2018 4:22 am

Physiocrat wrote:The idea is faux compromise but it will likely end up with strategically bad compromise, for example education vouchers. It provides a veneer of choice it will in practice subject independent private schools to more government regulation. Politicians want power which is the main reason, that unless you're in a more ideologically pure environment, you will be pulled by the tide. Further, many UK libertarians thought they'd made the breakthrough with Thatcher just to see the UK go under the thumb of banksters and corporations - we moved from Keynesianism to state-controlled capitalism, the neo-liberal paradigm which is effectively a latter day Leninist policy.
What I envision is hundreds of Ron Pauls at every level of government, in every party. Would Ron Paul have been as successful as he was if he had run as a Libertarian in 2008?
The best name I could think of which can't be that misinterpreted is Natural Order, which has the acronym NO which is somewhat unfortunate for a positive vision but isn't that bad.
I like that name a lot.
Nice pics. I'm not sure that the sci-fi aesthetic will ever be that popular. People tend to prefer more natural materials.
You're probably right. Unfortunately, it seems the Fascists/Monarchists/Traditionalists have that look cornered.
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