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Re: Pro-Segragation Harvard

Post by FvS » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:05 am

Jon Irenicus wrote:It should be no surprise that as someone with libertarian views, I am more amenable to (iii), whilst (ii) may represent a "least-bad" outcome in the context of a centralised state which prohibits secession.
Agreed.
Tom Rogers wrote:I think ultimately the only solution is going to be violence: in effect, what we are seeing is an evolutionary cleave form within hominins. Everything that whites do now should be in preparation for the inevitable conflagration, which we must hope will come. Whites are in fact the only 'race', as such. There is indeed only one human race - the Leftists are right again! It's just that, as usual, they are not right in the sense that they think. Non-whites are mixed-race, thus not 'races' as such, and this partly explains their civilisational inferiority: they do not discriminate, their Darwinian instincts pull towards weaker eugenic outcomes. Thus, the battle is going to be between the Race and the non-races.
Hopefully, the only violence that will be needed is that of government deportations. I'm curious as to what you mean by "Whites are the only race." Do you not subscribe to the traditional breakdown of the races, with Whites consisting of the European Caucasoid sub-races?

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Re: Pro-Segragation Harvard

Post by FvS » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:54 am

Tom Rogers wrote:This video from VertigoPolitix hints at some of the themes of my nascent leftist 'culture of critique' above:
Mrw watching that video.

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Tom Rogers wrote:Leftists and liberal-statists are pursuing an updated White Man's Burden, in which white supremacy is implicit.
It's almost as if instead of colonizing their countries and uplifting the other races that way, they would rather try to "save" as many as possible by allowing them into White countries, consequences be damned. Likely they are so consumed by White guilt or egalitarian ideals that they subconsciously believe the West needs to be brought down to the rest of the world's level (a few countries outstanding). However, we can't forget that the migrant crisis in Europe is largely the result of neocon intervention in the Middle East, and the Central American invasion of the United States is exacerbated by the War on Drugs.

This is a good speech by Jared Taylor on the broader topic of race realism that is applicable to most Whites, not just Americans.

"Most whites do not have a racial identity, but they would do well to understand what race means for others. They should also ponder the consequences of being the only group for whom such an identity is forbidden and who are permitted no aspirations as a group." - Jared Taylor

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Re: Pro-Segragation Harvard

Post by Physiocrat » Wed Jun 13, 2018 9:08 am

FvS wrote:
Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:54 am

This is a good speech by Jared Taylor on the broader topic of race realism that is applicable to most Whites, not just Americans.

That's a great speech. Thanks for sharing. The most interesting part was when the leftist he came across who said that if what he was saying about blacks was true, they would have to be exterminated. The genocidal heart of the left is revealed.
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Re: Pro-Segragation Harvard

Post by Jon Irenicus » Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:45 am

Taylor is an extraordinarily good communicator. Shame there aren’t many like him on the ethnonationalist or even libertarian side.
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Re: Pro-Segragation Harvard

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Re: Pro-Segragation Harvard

Post by FvS » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:08 am

I tend to favor including more groups under the "White" label, that picture sums it up well for me. The Mediterranean and Slavic races aren't too far away genetically and most of them still fall within the general cluster of European Caucasoids. There is strength in numbers and when there seems to be such an animus towards an kind of White identity, I think it would serve us better to be united. Unfortunately, Eastern and South-Eastern Europe had to deal with two corrupting forces, which were Communism and the Ottoman Empire. Those regions have never fully recovered economically, culturally, or even genetically. However, the Meds and Slavs were important to Western Civilization (maybe the Meds more so), and I admit I have a partiality towards the Greeks. Interestingly, Iranians are probably the closest of the Middle Eastern Caucasoids to Whites (under the expanded label). Just look at Iran before the revolution. Of course, you do need to draw the line somewhere.

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Re: Pro-Segragation Harvard

Post by FvS » Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:47 am

Physiocrat wrote:That's a great speech. Thanks for sharing. The most interesting part was when the leftist he came across who said that if what he was saying about blacks was true, they would have to be exterminated. The genocidal heart of the left is revealed.
Jared Taylor's stuff is top-notch. He often gets criticized for not "naming the Jew," but the work he does is invaluable to Whites everywhere, whether they know it or not. I don't understand purity spiralers. It's like a Rothbardian disliking and criticizing Ron Paul because he's not an ancap.
Jon Irenicus wrote:Taylor is an extraordinarily good communicator. Shame there aren’t many like him on the ethnonationalist or even libertarian side.
It's amazing he hasn't lost his mind after all those years he's been at it. Guy must have the patience of a saint. Wish I could be like that, but sometimes it's hard not to get frustrated when trying to talk to people about race, especially libertarians. It reminds me so much of explaining libertarianism to your average indoctrinated citizen. Just have to remember I was like that too once. Hell, I'd be happy if, even if libertarians didn't buy into the race or culture arguments, they would see that there are many other goods reasons not to support unrestricted immigration. I do think more and more are starting to come around thanks to people like Hoppe and Lew Rockwell. Man are we lucky to have Lew and Jared Taylor out there.
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Re: Pro-Segragation Harvard

Post by Jon Irenicus » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:47 am

@FvS thanks for the chart. I'm inclined to agree, although that's because I tend to use "white" as a shorthand for individuals of European ethnocultural lineage. I can understand the urge to take a stricter definition of it, particularly when skin colour alone is being conflated with race. I don't think anyone disagrees with what is made obvious by genetics - that Europeans stand more closely related to one another than to any other groups. I believe Tom is just objecting to the idea that all Europeans are interchangeable, and to the ideal of some pan-Europa which some WNs now hold to. Regardless, I agree with your views on there being strength in numbers in the present circumstances.

Regarding the East Asians, the UN did try to push the agenda of greater "diversity" upon the likes of Japan, but this was summarily rejected. I think the left realises that besides whites, they are the other group which poses a big obstacle to their fantasies, and they have a very strong in-group preference.

However, this is more on a global scale; East Asians in the US still tend to vote overwhelmingly pro-democrat. My theory on why this is, is that the most out-group oriented amongst them tend to be those who emigrate (and that this also holds for any other emigrés from non-white ethnostates), so they may find the left's policy's more amenable to their own prejudices. That is, at least, in the case of earlier migrants. Nowadays it may be based on different impulses, i.e. no desire to integrate, and to form their own segregated community, and then vote for politicians who won't get in the way of this, not due to ideological affinity, but because they're convenient towards this end. There is possibly a mixture of both at play.
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Re: Pro-Segragation Harvard

Post by Physiocrat » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:04 am

I think the classic racial categories are pretty accurate as very far back lineage go, for example caucasian. They are just very general and more narrow categories exist. That's the problem with WN as whites as such do not have, same as many racial subgroups, do not have a collective culture or identity. Bland White nationalism could only really grow in the US where the heritage of the original white settlers are flattened out. Historic, 19th century nationalism makes far more sense than today's white nationalism. A Frenchman is white but being white doesn't make you French. If you understand this then you'll use the racial categories appropriately.
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Re: Pro-Segragation Harvard

Post by RichardCheimison » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:02 am

I am pro-segregation I do not want Yankees, Britbongs, Gypsies, Hindus, Zionists or Wahabis near me.
Physiocrat wrote:
Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:04 am
That's the problem with WN as whites as such do not have, same as many racial subgroups, do not have a collective culture or identity. Bland White nationalism could only really grow in the US where the heritage of the original white settlers are flattened out. Historic, 19th century nationalism makes far more sense than today's white nationalism. A Frenchman is white but being white doesn't make you French. If you understand this then you'll use the racial categories appropriately.
I agree. As an American myself I have much more sympathy for Chinese billionaires and Iranian PUAs than I do for most American normies. 'White' is not nearly enough to get my loyalty.

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