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Re: SJWS say the darndest things

Post by Physiocrat » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:40 pm

William wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 3:53 pm
The Club sandwich is nothing but three slicesof American-nativist-patriarchal-cis gendered-hetronormative imperialism on WHITE bread with the tasty mayonnaise, tomato, bacon, and lettuce as just another ideological dressing covering the true superstructure of oppression in our food:


https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/let ... story.html

The Turkey though, that's real...it's there to remind you of what you are, nothing but a turkey for falling for the scam. That's the 1% at the boys club laughing at you.
She's a Master in the Liberal Art of Gastronomy! What on earth is that? I reckon she just cant make the Club sandwich so can't get a boyfriend so she's pissed off.
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Re: SJWS say the darndest things

Post by William » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:12 am

YouTube channel about eating chicken wings is "problematic" according to a "Media Studies" (# fake degree) professor in an article entitled: "The spicy spectacular: food, gender, and celebrity on Hot Ones".

I think we should try and have a pomo egalitarian academic paper writing madlib contest here at Misesforum. This all seems like paint by numbers stuff

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/ ... professor/

And overall while very over blown especially taken the example she used in a part of her thesis she's right:

in general there are, believe it or not conversations and customs men don't like or need to be about being around women and vice versa. That's just a part of life and no amount of fake degrees, volumes of newspeak, egalitarianism, and revolutionary fervor can get around it, all those paths can do is destroy. She is however wrong to pick a random thing she doesn't like and put it through egalitrian pomo madlib and "institutional critique". Just go on a rant about communism and get in with it... no need to painstakingly go through every conceivable show, bodily function, religion, and institution. That her point doesn't sound so great or "intellectual" if it's just plainly stated is her problem not mine, and if there is an "institutional failure" to be critiqued it would be the university for allowing something like writing needless papers as an action that is rewarded and may have consequences on the real world.


or be more honest and write an emotional article how you love chicken wings and talking about your bowl movements but men don't find that attractive. Or if you're a dude how you hate chicken wings but most guys like them but you don't. And just leave it at that.

I would disagree with this article in giving the author the benefit of the doubt it may be about gender. The two points are:

1) simply write about gender philosophy, these literary or institutional critiques are worse than worthless. We can see the main points and thesis. If you wish to highlight the philosophy with real life examples like eating chicken wings, fine.

2) even if it is a "gender issue" it's a giant "so what". There will be differences between genders, class, cultures, and within genders, classes, and cultures. The analysis used to reach your preconceived notions are deeply flawed, and much of the ends you seek don't seem desirable to begin with. Maybe part of the problem with this analysis is you have something like a "gender theory of value" mixed with an egalitarian religious dogma that doesn't reflect reality or most people's deeper values.


#wing gate , #food gate, # chicken gate, # the golden age of bored harpys and soy boys armed with useless degrees and too much time in their hands


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Next they came for the video games and I didn't speak out because I don't play video games

Then they came for the comic books and I said nothing because I don't read comics.

Then they came for my chicken wings, and now I have to eat tofu chicken wings in the same amount of proportion in the same amount of spice as a college professor who doesn't eat chicken and will never think of chicken wings again after her activism and writing assignment is over
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Re: SJWS say the darndest things

Post by Physiocrat » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:57 am

In other news, women take fewer risks than men. Oh no the patriarchy is keeping women alive.

I'm tempted to go on a purge after my reactionary
counter-revolution and these people will be hanged on lampposts for crimes against common sense.

What drives this mentality though? My suspicion is a bad relationship with one's father
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Re: SJWS say the darndest things

Post by William » Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:03 pm

Physiocrat wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:57 am
In other news, women take fewer risks than men. Oh no the patriarchy is keeping women alive.

I'm tempted to go on a purge after my reactionary
counter-revolution and these people will be hanged on lampposts for crimes against common sense.

What drives this mentality though? My suspicion is a bad relationship with one's father
I will never understand where some of this comes from.

But yeah in many cases I agree,

Lack of parents or having a lack of diverse people to look up to who raise you can be an issue. Being not very social and not used to the rough and tumble world of diverse interaction can be an issue.

Mix that with an adolescent who isn't used to failure, is stuck with thoughts of superiority due to being distanced from things, is "alienated", doesn't have much family or traditions to fall back on and keep grounded, and then enters a field that caters to adolescent logic and emotions (alienation, everyone is "inauthentic", a hypocrite, "the man" is keeping me down, I don't have to find a real job or teach a real subject) this is bound to happen. It's kind of a Cartesian outlook on crack. Which is the kind of "philosophy" which is going to happen to someone forced to develop and fine tune their frustrated adolescence.

This gets worse when you combine these thoughts with existing irrational or anti civilization doctrines, zero sum doctrines, doctrines of resentment, and cult like features of esoteric knowledge and social structures. All these things are rampant and encouraged in much of the current university system.


Though If you look at old radicals like Marx and Engles (Or many of the "New Left" even), most came from good homes. They did end up in esoteric circles in their college years, had reinforced hubris, shirked responsibility, had closed feedback loops in their life and doctrines, shirked responsibility, etc. I think weak homes may be a part, It's possible an opposite feature may be in play as well, something like an "aristocratic esotericism" or something like that. There also is no secular institution that has replaced monasteries and monastic urges and drives, this may be a part of what's going on as well.
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Re: SJWS say the darndest things

Post by William » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:09 pm

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/07/ ... der-ducks/

Actor acts like someone other than themselves and people are mad about it.


Supposedly "business insider" finds being upset at actors acting a legit response.
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Re: SJWS say the darndest things

Post by Physiocrat » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:39 pm

William wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:03 pm

I will never understand where some of this comes from.

But yeah in many cases I agree,

Lack of parents or having a lack of diverse people to look up to who raise you can be an issue. Being not very social and not used to the rough and tumble world of diverse interaction can be an issue.

Mix that with an adolescent who isn't used to failure, is stuck with thoughts of superiority due to being distanced from things, is "alienated", doesn't have much family or traditions to fall back on and keep grounded, and then enters a field that caters to adolescent logic and emotions (alienation, everyone is "inauthentic", a hypocrite, "the man" is keeping me down, I don't have to find a real job or teach a real subject) this is bound to happen. It's kind of a Cartesian outlook on crack. Which is the kind of "philosophy" which is going to happen to someone forced to develop and fine tune their frustrated adolescence.

This gets worse when you combine these thoughts with existing irrational or anti civilization doctrines, zero sum doctrines, doctrines of resentment, and cult like features of esoteric knowledge and social structures. All these things are rampant and encouraged in much of the current university system.
That definitely makes sense of the New Left.
William wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:03 pm
Though If you look at old radicals like Marx and Engles (Or many of the "New Left" even), most came from good homes. They did end up in esoteric circles in their college years, had reinforced hubris, shirked responsibility, had closed feedback loops in their life and doctrines, shirked responsibility, etc. I think weak homes may be a part, It's possible an opposite feature may be in play as well, something like an "aristocratic esotericism" or something like that. There also is no secular institution that has replaced monasteries and monastic urges and drives, this may be a part of what's going on as well.
I think with the Old Left classic envy is the main explanation. Taleb points out it's the upper middle class who hate the rich the most. The seem to have an entitlement mentality and always feel inferior to the true elite classes. It then follows that they think their ideas should rule overall.

The New Left of microaggressions is somewhat different IMO.
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Re: SJWS say the darndest things

Post by William » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:15 pm

Physiocrat wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:39 pm
William wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:03 pm

I will never understand where some of this comes from.

But yeah in many cases I agree,

Lack of parents or having a lack of diverse people to look up to who raise you can be an issue. Being not very social and not used to the rough and tumble world of diverse interaction can be an issue.

Mix that with an adolescent who isn't used to failure, is stuck with thoughts of superiority due to being distanced from things, is "alienated", doesn't have much family or traditions to fall back on and keep grounded, and then enters a field that caters to adolescent logic and emotions (alienation, everyone is "inauthentic", a hypocrite, "the man" is keeping me down, I don't have to find a real job or teach a real subject) this is bound to happen. It's kind of a Cartesian outlook on crack. Which is the kind of "philosophy" which is going to happen to someone forced to develop and fine tune their frustrated adolescence.

This gets worse when you combine these thoughts with existing irrational or anti civilization doctrines, zero sum doctrines, doctrines of resentment, and cult like features of esoteric knowledge and social structures. All these things are rampant and encouraged in much of the current university system.
That definitely makes sense of the New Left.
William wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:03 pm
Though If you look at old radicals like Marx and Engles (Or many of the "New Left" even), most came from good homes. They did end up in esoteric circles in their college years, had reinforced hubris, shirked responsibility, had closed feedback loops in their life and doctrines, shirked responsibility, etc. I think weak homes may be a part, It's possible an opposite feature may be in play as well, something like an "aristocratic esotericism" or something like that. There also is no secular institution that has replaced monasteries and monastic urges and drives, this may be a part of what's going on as well.
I think with the Old Left classic envy is the main explanation. Taleb points out it's the upper middle class who hate the rich the most. The seem to have an entitlement mentality and always feel inferior to the true elite classes. It then follows that they think their ideas should rule overall.

The New Left of microaggressions is somewhat different IMO.
It's definitely an upper middle class thing. Mises says as much as well in Theory and History (and other works), Schumpeter points it out in his overview of intellectuals in Capitalism socialism Democracy. You're probably right that there is a difference with the "micro aggression" left of today. The theory and outlook is almost never that of "the oppressed class" they try to give a voice for

Also, I think the old left doctrines are much more respectable. If nothing else the old left was constrained by trying to give a voice to people under actual racist and unjust imperial regimes, serfs, central banks, and concerns of farmer and labor voices during the industrial revolution. One can see an oppressed Kurd under an oppressive Turkish yoke be able to latch onto Marx if that's all he has. One can see British and American old farmer- labor types who know the value of community, who have an innate sense of justice and liberty flirt a bit here and there with Marx if that's the only more modern theory they have. While Marx is certainly an awkward fit with a West Virginia or Welsh coal miner, a student wondering why he is getting drafted to fight in Vietnam, ,a Kurdish nationalist, and so forth, it certainly makes a lot more sense than "micro aggression" and the "patriarchal gaze of hot wings". That is more the voice of an upper middle class kid taking his personal problems to a cosmic level. The old left is upper middle class people who feel slighted, used violent theories based on envy but had enough constraints in their theories to make them a bit more accessible.
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Re: SJWS say the darndest things

Post by William » Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:10 pm

www.google.com/amp/s/aeon.co/amp/essays ... gh-culture


Roger Scrutons theory of "fakes" who "diagnose things" may have some insight to the new leftist mentality vs old. I think he shows how Marx, Rorty, and even to a degree Foucault are not exactly this but who are in the same family and who have theories who open up the door for this kind of thing.
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Re: SJWS say the darndest things

Post by Jon Irenicus » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:53 pm

They certainly used perceived grievances against old imperial regimes to rile up the masses. Whether their claims as to the grievances those empires caused stood up to scrutiny in terms of the claims they were making, is another matter entirely; it's also why I think many SJWs are so hostile to having orthodox narratives on the legacy of empire brought into question.
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Re: SJWS say the darndest things

Post by Physiocrat » Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:26 pm

Jon Irenicus wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:53 pm
They certainly used perceived grievances against old imperial regimes to rile up the masses. Whether their claims as to the grievances those empires caused stood up to scrutiny in terms of the claims they were making, is another matter entirely; it's also why I think many SJWs are so hostile to having orthodox narratives on the legacy of empire brought into question.
I think that is true although I think it is fair to say that the grievances, if true, of the Old Left were of some actual importance unlike the bizarre ramblings of the New Left.

@William - great Scruton essay. I like how he treats the original modernists well as a reaction against sentimentality but then the modernists thereafter fell prey to the cliche of the transgressive. (An excellent phrase which I will shamelessly copy)
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