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Free Tommy Robinson?

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Re: Free Tommy Robinson?

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Re: Free Tommy Robinson?

Post by Physiocrat » Mon Jun 04, 2018 1:27 pm

I have some admiration for Robinson as you do yourself. The ideal sort of character I think for a movement would be someone like Richard Spencer (yes, ideologically problematic and strategically) but he has a certain manly quality like Robinson however he is much more intellectual.

With respect to the restrictions on reporting, I think the law is itself unjust. If we are to have government courts, justice must be public and clearly public. That the courts could restrict the reporting of his sentence for a time is frightening. Further, I think Robinson is highly likely to be far more harshly dealt with in this case for obvious political reasons. I'd have to dig into it but I would be surprised if this type of contempt of court is ever really prosecuted.

Oh and yes, Free Tommy!
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Re: Free Tommy Robinson?

Post by Millennial TM » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:41 pm

He'll be unsafe in prison too. Free Tommy indeed.

One reason that the state hates Tommy, as he admits, is because it's damn expensive to police his gatherings. This is how he was able to get a stage, screen and PR right outside Whitehall, the police are forced to offer a compromise as he has significant leverage. They can't stop a public gathering, but they have to pay for security.

I disagree with Tommy on various issues (censoring/revising the Quran for example, if that's still his policy) but he's a man I have enormous respect and admiration for. His big tent has been broadening pretty rapidly lately, and his ability to gather great populist support for what are basically classical liberal virtues (he calls it nationalism, I don't know how accurate that really is though) is very impressive.
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Re: Free Tommy Robinson?

Post by Millennial TM » Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:23 pm

The BNP folded because they hit diminishing returns and the fringe/less committed supporters recognised that it wasn't going anywhere. Anti-nazism is too ingrained in the British conscious for a nationalist socialist movement to get off the ground. Post-holocaust, an explicitly fascist or national socialist movement will never attract more than a marginal following. The French NF worked because of the switch in leader from Jean to Marine, and the fact that Marine has convincingly disavowed her father's Tyndall-esque nonsense. Nick Griffin has too much of an explicitly Hitlerite past that is well documented, and he has never fully denounced holocaust denial (I don't mean in other people, but his own current beliefs). He refuses to answer questions about it. And the BNP is too tightly associated with Nick Griffin to most British people, that acronym is dead as an electoral ideal. Even Bowden couldn't save them.

The EDL of course became an avenue for anti-immigration anger (for some anyway) that was free of the racist stigma and therefore very attractive. By the time UKIP began gaining real leverage it was lost for the BNP. And I'm quite convinced that For Britain will keep them down, stealing a lot of their potential support base (if not their members and activists). I have no suspicion of espionage, Griffin and other significant BNP players (Collett more recently) lost because they were on the wrong side of history, and the British public won't forget.
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Re: Free Tommy Robinson?

Post by Physiocrat » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:53 am

Infiltration of the BNP is perfectly possible but its main demise would seem to be Griffin's mismanagement and poor performance on Question Time. An explicitly nationalist party to be successful needs to strike the right tone from the beginning. Any history of boot boys or admiration for the 3rd Reich in any form will always be brought up and prevent mainstream acceptance of the party.
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Re: Free Tommy Robinson?

Post by Jon Irenicus » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:15 pm

UKIP without Farage has proven to be useless.

I agree that the Brexit referendum was by and large an immigration one; hence why had it been left to say Carswell, Hannan or Johnson alone, the vote to leave probably would not have been as successful, since they're all pro-mass-migration.

Yet, looking at the headlines today, there is news about Sajid Javid expanding the number of "high skill immigrants" coming to the country is prominent, yet again... no doubt spurred on by some pseudo-emergency which the government could've planned for, had it genuinely wanted to do so.
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