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Real Metapolitics Versus Fake Metapolitics

Post by Tom Rogers » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:45 pm

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Post by FvS » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:54 am

One of the problems is that it is difficult to publicly identify oneself as pro-White or even just as a simple Nationalist without one's livelihood potentially coming under attack from rabid Leftists. A successful movement should employ multiple methods to reach its goals. Real world activism, including community outreach, are very important and should not be underestimated. I guess the trick is to organize in a more optically pleasing way while maintaining the underlying strategy.
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Re: Real Metapolitics Versus Fake Metapolitics

Post by Physiocrat » Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:41 am

Tom Rogers wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:45 pm
I'm back because Physiocrat wanted me to clarify my view on metapolitics and I thought I would create a thread for discussion of that.

Let me start by quoting from the other thread a comment from Physiocrat that I think sums up the Johnsonian/Alt Right attitude to metapolitics. I regard this type of metapolitics as peculiar to the United States, and whatever its merits, I do not regard it as really applicable to Britain:
Could you elaborate on the difference between the USA and the UK in this respect? Is it that ideas are more important in the US because it sees itself, rightlyor wrongly, as a self-consciously created nation founded on an idea rather than an organic creation like the countries of Europe.
Tom Rogers wrote:
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You talk about art, films and other creative endeavours, which as you rightly say, can influence politics. But a cultural struggle only works to any significant extent if there is political momentum in society. Apart from anything else, movements that control things politically can secure funding for the arts. Witness for instance the Hepworth Gallery in Wakefield, a brutalist architectural monstrosity. That gallery exists because the Left control local government in West Yorkshire. Without political ability, and the motive force underlying it, any ideas you have will remain at the fringes. At best, you will be what is politely known as a 'cult writer' or 'cult artist' or whatever, which are euphemisms for the focal point of a creative fad that flimsy people grow out of. The point of politics is not to be a fad or a cult figure, but to have power.
The costs of creating and disseminating art works, stories, films etc is vastly lower than it used to be. Whilst securing government funding certainly helps it is less important than it used to be. With respect to art, I think good art is mostly non-political. The more it tends to being consciously political the more it becomes bad art which is consumed only by the already converted. This is why I think libertarianism in its thin form is not enough. Nationalism has an advantage of having a concrete vision of society whereas libertarianism is just a legal philosophy. This is why I'm increasingly interested in mixing aspects of traditional natural law theory of Aristotle and Aquinas, with anti-state radicalism and Austrian economic insights. Taken as a whole I think the worldview would be an attractive and compelling one. The more a story focuses on the pre-political the more widespread its appeal and ultimately the more influential it is. Tolkein has been an incredibly influential writer who was a promoter of romanticism, as a reaction against industrialisation. If I was suggesting writing an ancap tract in the form of a story then yes I'd end up being a cult writer at best but that isn't what I'm promoting.
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Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:45 pm
Apart from anything else, local, honest community engagement acts as a medium - a true meta - for the transmission of Nationalist ideas into the public consciousness. Unlike the Alt Right, it's metapolitics proper. A large part of my interests and needs revolve around intellectual-type pursuits, and as such I am probably typical of people involved in the Alt Right in some way, but that is not reflective of most people. Do we attend to our own needs or the needs of those whose support we demand and expect? Which makes more sense to you? I could write a very erudite essay advancing a thesis that the Exodus is part of a Jewish mythos of self-victimisation that continued with the Holocaust. I could participate in a podcast on the child-grooming phenomenon in Britain. But is any of that politics, or even metapolitics? I think it's just a hobby. If an old lady has her benefit cut or a young man finds himself homeless, will it be any comfort that such-and-such a blog has had a thousand hits in the last few days after the jailing of Tommy Robinson? If these people are to support us, we need to convince them that we care - and I mean genuinely care - about their troubles, issues and problems, both personal and at the community level and society-wide, and that we are competent people and can do something about them. If we can't convince them of this, then how can we hope to 'save the White Race'?
We certainly need to show that we can help people but if much of the electorate will just demonise these people as "racist" whilst you'll get some support you'll just be cast off as "far-right". The BBC declared the Free Tommy protesters as "Far-right". This can only be changed through ideas. It will take a long, long time in the same way egalitarian tabula rasa leftism became in vogue but it is the way of lasting change.
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Re: Real Metapolitics Versus Fake Metapolitics

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Re: Real Metapolitics Versus Fake Metapolitics

Post by Merlin » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:56 pm

Tom Rogers wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:44 pm
Paradoxically, if you wanted more political freedom in America in today's climate, you would need to revert to some sort of Hamiltonian system, with a strong federal government that reigned state and local government in, asset-stripped their bureaucracies and put a stop to their social-democratic inclinations. Maybe that's Trump's tacit agenda?
The issue with taking that road is that today’s federal government may be a tad more liberal, but tomorrow’s may not be. Heck, it will not be. If given further powers at the expense of states, who knows what these newfound powers shall be used for in the future?

If that is indeed Trump's agenda, then the usual suspects would do well do leave him alone for two full terms, after which he would have handed them a centralised behemoth for them to abuse at their pleasure. Only Nixon could go to China and all that.

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